To share knowledge that is the question

[SonnyBlack]

For those of you Sith who are students of knowledge (by this I mean you spend alot of your free time learning about things in the world) I'm sure have depth in the area you enjoy. My question is how willing are you to give what you have spend time learning to others and why? Recent events in another board brought this to my attention as soon after I was going to "give away my gold" I changed my mind. I'll leave it at that for now...

[Darth Occulucis]

I don’t reveal anything I learn, well not everything anyway. I’ve taught some things to the occasional pupil but only if it benefits me as well, never if it only hinders me.

[crytes]

I share what I know as well as my therories freely. All anyone has to do is ask the right questions.
Crytes

[Omnihilus]

I don't throw my pearls to swine, but i do throw them freely into the streets.

(pearls are composed of one singular granulate core, and surrounded by a gleaming coagulate. The ROOT of the pearl is not valuable to the uninitiated. Its far too simple, far too plain...far too...abundant. They prefer the coagulate!!)

(i mean...look around the forum, there's no real intention other than people get something useful, and if not...oh well!!)

[Azazel]

knowlegde is not to be spread around.
One should choose wisely to who share it with.
And yes, we do share knowledge in the forum, but one as to prove worth to get it.

[Omnihilus]

Worth?

what "grand knowledge" would someone have to prove thier "worth" (worth of what) for?

I mean... really now. I'll drop bombs on people in the street if i am moved to do so. I don't think of myself as "distributing to the worthy" as if i'm some haughty ******* with something better than anything anyone's ever heard of.

but i think everyone goes through that stage. But when that selfishness diminishes then there can be true evolution. Not before. Hell, one who has any knowledge at all and hoards it, only does so out of fear, which is weakness.

meaning that anyone who hides what they have to say is probably doing everyone else a favor and sparing them thier egocentric meanderings!

People who separate themselves with a barrier of ego, and go, "i am the teacher and you are the student"; at best are delusional. ESPECIALLY when that attitude is carried forth to the general populace.

AND BESIDES. Even IF you share some grand insight; if the person isn't ready for it, it'll simply roll out of thier minds and hearts like watter off a ducks back. No harm no foul.

I've been around alot of people who act so grand and so important, bestowing titles upon themselves and such. They act as if they have something to say that i am "ill equipped" to hear. Most of the time its just regurgitated bullshit they read out of either some fake ass occult manual, or got off of an even more fake starwars site or satanic site or something like that.

I just smile and nod. Why? Because i'm about synthesis, i let people who act like they know everything talk. And those who hide, i let them hide. It's a joke either way.

a true master is availible, present and constant; embodying the universal essence of the cosmos and that which is beyond.

anything less is....a joke.

[Darth Opacus]

To share one's knowledge is not to be taken lightly. I have been known to share bits and pieces of knowledge, but never enough to help the other person to surpass me.
I am always mindful of how much information I give out.

[Omnihilus]

I suppose. But what do you mean..."surpass".

i'm not trying to be rude or anything...but erm...who exactly would you think you are at that point?

i mean...to say that would mean that you believe yourself to be in a place of superiority, that when extrapolated beyond your particular view of yourself...is quite delusional.

Sure, someone can have alot of knowledge, but that's meaningless, only a beginning.

True evolution is not about individual forms, even though it encompasses those individual forms.

you my friend, are an individual form...

so am i.

When you develop not only microcosmic, but macrocosmic awareness, you UNDERSTAND that your singular manifestation is but individual and in and of itself, meaningless.

Once awareness has transcended itself (thus becoming/not), it in effect has gone to a realm beyond all knowledge and wisdom, thusly achieving synthesis with the manifestations as well as the universal core itself. This is something that however takes manifold manifestations worth of seeking.

Once you believe that you are a force to not be "surpassed" (whatever that means, for all you know i could surpass you greatly in any endeavor) you begin to travel down the road of stagnation.

A false frail "master" hoarding himself away to rot away in misery and solitude; all the while holding on to his few prized breadcrumbs.


So come on. Lighten up. Before you weigh yourself down.

The awareness of the subtle truths should build inside you until your essence is merged with all that is and is not. Naturally this means an expansion into new forms. This cannot be done without synthesis. Without synthesis, at best you have a bunch of followers who are even more deluded for following you anywhere, effectivley becoming mindless robots, doing your teachings shame and dishonor. But the root of the students....is the master.

Lol!!

This doesn't mean you go out and be some street corner evangelist. But it does mean that you respond as effortlessly and as freely as the universe itself in opening the way for an aspirant. Anything else could be compared to a person who WANTS to be the gate-keeper, so they imagine keys in thier hand and a gate behind them, saying nay to all who approach, save the "worthy" (worthiness? at best its human interpretation, which is...flawed at its maxim).

All the while, he's some cracked out ho-bo behind mcdonalds shouting at children or something.

in starwarsish. It is the force that guides mastery, whether light or dark, NOT the fleshly opinions and judgements of the would be "teacher". One is only a master when they have established a direct connection with that unnamable which GIVES RISE TO THE FORCE.

It is then that they are illumined with the dark light of wisdom and understanding. There is no self or other, no worthy or unworthy.

There is only a time for speaking, and a time for keeping silent. All is in naturalness.

I talk too much...

im done.

take it or leave it love it or hate it.

[Darth Opacus]

Perhaps I am ignorant or something, but you lost me after the fourth line. Ummmm...yeah. I pose a question to you, one you posed to me: who do you think you are at that point? Do not take this response as an attack - not my intention. However, to ask someone a question such as that IS a challenge in my view.
Lets break down the word "surpass." Meaning: 1) to become better, greater; or stronger than: EXCEED. 2) to go beyond: OVERSTEP. 3) to transcend the reach, capacity; or powers of. Now in my understanding, the Sith have always strived to surpass SOMEONE. Whether that be their master or enemies - that need is always there. When I said that I am careful not to let someone "surpass" me, I am simply following who I am.
I don't believe in understanding the "microcosims" or "macrocosims" or whatever. I understand that people will always try to get one over on you. Enemies are going to try and find a weakness and exploit it. So, share things openly and freely, understanding whatever it is you tried to explain. If that is what you believe, so be it. I will be perfectly happy to know that my knowledge is safetly tucked away - where only I can retrieve it.
As for the "worthiness" thing - I never mentioned anything about to whom or why I share my knowledge. Of course the sense of worthiness is a human trait...what else would it be? I DO NOT deem people as "worthy" or "unworthy." People are who they are. Trust is a deciding factor who I share knowledge with.
I am a loner. I do not need people around me and sometimes I wish they weren't. I do not "rot," I am quite happy. My ability to adapt and move on without expressing my understanding of the "bigger picture" has helped me get through some extremely trying times.

PS - I am pretty easy going, too. No need to lighten up, thanks. :cool:

[SonnyBlack]

Interesting points Exar and Omnihilus and I think together it's quite Nietzschean. To give away to those deemed worthy to surpass yourself to give yourself the fuel to pass them.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

I generally share knowledge freely because the secrets keep themselves. If someone is not ready to recieve esoteric knowledge even if told they will miss it.

I must tip my hat(helmet) to Exar Kun idea of judgeing wisely who to tell. I sence that if I were on my way out and dieing and I Found a secret to Sith Power but my descovery was too late for me to use I might chance telling Exar Kun the information because I sence something Dark and riseing in this Sith. Keep up the Dark work.

Sonnyblack Is your avatar of Dr. Hannibal Lecter from the movie "Silance of the Lambs". It is the sceen where Hannibale is talking to the congress women who was looking for her missing daughter?

[Darth Opacus]

Mrs. Darth Vader,
I appreciate the vote of confidence. Let me assure you that if you were to reveal a secret of Sith power to me, I would not disappoint you. I would use that knowledge to surpass others - such is the way of the Sith.
Remember, use your knowledge to better yourself, not others.

[Empress Palpatine]

I think that whether or not I give out knowledge or not depends on my purpose. If a person is in direct competition with me, I likely will withhold any knowledge to keep my advantage. This would be if it was a competition for the same territory. If gold were buried and I had the only map, I would not post it on the internet or tell anyone because I want the gold.

However, if competition over the same booty or position or whatever is not the case, it may benefit me most to share the knowledge of something. Example, if one wanted to have communism come to power, one would want to teach the teachings of Karl Marx to as many as possible. This would make it more likely that communism could come to power. Some things require masses of people to make it happen.

As to various esoteric type materials, there is so much of these "secrets" published and tons of it everywhere, that such a secret (even the greatest and most powerful secret) could be hidden amidst the reams of stuff out there in plain sight. The trick is knowing where the real gems are. This no one can tell you, only the Force.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

Mrs. Darth Vader,
I appreciate the vote of confidence. Let me assure you that if you were to reveal a secret of Sith power to me, I would not disappoint you. I would use that knowledge to surpass others - such is the way of the Sith.
Remember, use your knowledge to better yourself, not others. I am trying to better myself. I just wanted to aknowledge that I noticed something eminateing from you shortly after I read the Darth Bane book and I thought It cool. I noticed a certian advancement in you so I thought it worth mentioning.

I agree with Empress Palpatine. If someone is a direct competetor than you with hold any information to keep your advantage. If the masses need to know in order for your plan to word than broadest publicity is needed.

If I ever descover the secret that I seek than i am sure everyone that knows me will see my calling card. If many are choked in one knight no one will miss it.

[SonnyBlack]

Yes to both questions Mrs. Vader... Hannibal's one of if not my favorite villain in fiction for various reasons.

"As to various esoteric type materials, there is so much of these "secrets" published and tons of it everywhere, that such a secret (even the greatest and most powerful secret) could be hidden amidst the reams of stuff out there in plain sight. The trick is knowing where the real gems are. This no one can tell you, only the Force."

:D Excellent point and it's lucky that most people are too lazy, stupid or arrogant in their own knowledge to continually seek these gems. Which actually reminds me of why I made this post in the first place.

[Omnihilus]

First of all i REALLY do have to say how much i love that everyone here is so open and easy going. (seriously it's a rarity in most forums at times)

And secondly to answer Exar's question:
I don't really think i'm anyone.

I guess it depends also on what TYPE of aim one has. Even though individuals may be in competition it does not necessarily mean they have the same aim. This would automaticaly imply that one must understand that any knowledge given may be interpreted incorrectly by an usurper. This gives rise to disinformation, or at the very least, parable styled methodology.

I just can't acquiest the idea that one who is a true master would speak anything but the truth, if indeed the self is fully integrated into one thus merging all opposites into dissolution.

At this point the master would be one who embodies the truth of the force. If this aim were diminished to include a singular self upon which to aggregate power for personal sake, i don't know if that could be called mastery, but simply the gathering of power.

Would the teachings of such a one be valuable to those who are seekers of the infinite principle?

To say that those who wish to attain mastery of the force wish only to obtain power within the realm is incomplete at best.

A master is a teacher or one who has come to a unity with that which is sought.

The other sense of a master is one who owns slaves, or has a multitude of other such subordinates.

Such a being in reality exists within a self maintained reality which must be continually reinforced by meeting various status quo requirments. Prime of which would be the maintanance of power and authority.

This is a superfluous system of government, and an embodiment of selfish ideals. The power gained is nothing beyond the self, so thusly universal power can never be attained by such an individual, let alone mastery (of what? the self that one keeps trying to cling on to?Perhaps.).

It would be the equivalent of Tiphareth in resonance with Ain in the qabalistic tree of life.

All a being needs to be truly worthy is drive and initiative. With these preliminary tools, one is independant of any master save the process itself.

As powerful as any secret may be it is nothing in and of itself.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

Thank you SonnyBlack. I saw Silence of the Lambs. I liked it because it exposed many things about our society. Hannibal was a good teacher and I did learn a valuable lesson from that movie. I thought the movie was based in a real story.