When Is To Far, Too Far?

[Master Thompson]

I am a bit troubled of late due to the many Jedi out there that I am coming into contact that unknowingly bring dishonor to the Jedi Way and the Jedi Code. Without knowing it, they manifest pride and selfishness. I can not pass judgement for that is not my way, it is not the Jedi Way, but as a self described Jedi Traditionalist and dedicated follower of the Jedi Philosophy I find many Jedi to be.......wanting. Then again, I am only one Jedi and not for a single solitary moment do I begin to pass sentence on anyone.

It is almost amazing to watch in person, someone you know, slowly become comsumed and twisted by what they think is just ideology but infact is poisonous insight and perspective. To see it flow so freely in a virtual world can only be described as infectious. The ancient (Movie) Jedi fell due to the Jedi becoming almost ablivious to not just the essence of the Dark Side but to general common sense decident and inward the Jedi had become. Confident and prideful!

I fear due to the strife and adversity in our daily lives and the situation around the world in the various trouble spots more and more Jedi will unknowingly fall into shadows. As Jedi only when someone really steps off the path and out of line do we challange the individual.

As for Sith, with so many different free flowing individual insights and ideology, when is when? When do you feel someone has crossed the line and confrontation is required?

Master Thompson

[SonnyBlack]

It's hard to comment really without knowing excatly what the person said that exhibited pride and selfishness so I'll take your word for it. Personally I think a person who thinks well of themselves to be healthy sense of self even to the Jedi. However pride and arrogance are two different things and high self esteem and believing you are better than other are commonly mistaken for each other. As far as your fallen Jedi I'm not sure it's so easy to truly gauge someone's overall perpectives what they practice in real life online. Agian this is coming from not knowing the examples of what you speak etc. Crossed the line? I don't think there is such a thing everyone is allowed there own perspective who can say what is the "true" way anyway and isn't things subject to change? Are such things and should such things as the Jedi Code and Way be written in stone?

[Master Thompson]

I hear you Sonny, but have you ever heard the phrase "the meek shall inherit the earth?" Well the Jedi have a similar philosophy. Humility. Pride and arrogance have no place in the heart of a Jedi.

[SonnyBlack]

I hear you Sonny, but have you ever heard the phrase "the meek shall inherit the earth?" Well the Jedi have a similar philosophy. Humility. Pride and arrogance have no place in the heart of a Jedi.LOL yes Master T I've heard the term and quite honestly I think it's a load of sh*t. And not arrogance but pride!

[Empress Palpatine]

I suppose you ran into some of the "big" Jedis around? Funny, they do have many of the flaws the ones in the movie had. I have sometimes wondered if my internet experience has altered my feelings about Jedi. I have sometimes asked myself, would I want to introduce any person I met to these online Jedi. I actually avoid doing so thinking they may be turned off. I have more freely mentioned the names of the Sith sites I go to because I can say that Sith are all different and independant minded. (and Sith vary considerably morally). I do not feel that the level of dissapointment will be as high because expectations are different. When telling someone you "know this Jedi" they have an image of some great sage and mystic who is uncorrupted by all that which corrupts main stream religions (basically Jesus with a lightsaber).

[Master Thompson]

LOL that's nice Sonny, oh so metaphysical there buddy LOL! Jesus with a Light Saber Empress...that's pretty funny too. LOL!

[Empress Palpatine]

I guess it sounded sort of funny but it was what I expected Jedi to be. Qui-Gon fit a Jesus-like image.

This may sound silly, but before I ever met anyone claiming to model themselves after any Star Wars character, I actually expected the persons to be more like the Star Wars characters. I am not meaning as far as jumping twenty feet in the air, etc., I mean more personality wise.

I am aware that there are these Jedi gatherings they have (haven't heard of a Sith one yet). I ask myself, would I want to go to one of these? Would I get dissapointed? Would I look in the eyes of the persons there and see something different? Would the air around them be charged with the Force? Or would I just see the usual one-upmanship and bickering.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

I like Empress Palpatine expected Jedi to be more like Jesus in attitude or Bhudha. I thought that they would be more about leaving this world and helping people to obtain enlightenment. I have done ok on some Jedi boards but I also have changed my expectations of them. I now see many Jedi as Sith that do not know that they are Sith. Too many Sith on other boards than here, do role playing of only two there are no more no less. They have to be king of the hill of the message boards. This ruins it for real people who are seeking knowledge. On some boards the fight for superiority is all they think about. I find this to be power wasted and not very Sith in essence. I like to learn and to teach in a loose amousphere. to me religion is best left unorganized and loose because weather you believe in a God or athism is up to each individual. Politics is where organization belongs. The Sith that hide their role playing by pushing all the other Sith asside is just acting out the rule of two thing. What is my point? It is this; That I have seen things on the Sith side of things that were bad and poisonous to them as you did with the Jedi. So if it makes you feel better both have their flaws.

[SonnyBlack]

LOL that's nice Sonny, oh so metaphysical there buddy LOL! Jesus with a Light Saber Empress...that's pretty funny too. LOL!:cool: hehe I consider myself a realist and in reality I believe the strong will inherit the earth. IMO If you want something you have to be active and take it. To me benevolence rather than humility is the core of the Jedi. To be proud and assertive are admirable traits in that they show that the person thinks well of themselves, their ideas, and will act upon them in confidence. I think the key is not to discredit other people's views in favor of your own and stay respectful, we all have our pov.

[Azazel]

Master Thompson.
I truly see you as one of the few true jedi around.
To me, the problem is that, Those proud jedi´s are simply, and in the basis of everything, humans.
And almost all humans have a high sense of pride.
Some of those "jedi" just choose that path because its cool and flashy, but they dont really have a real vocation for it.
The Sith, when choosing the dark side, already know whats ahead, and, in virtue of our beliefes, beeing human, doesnt make us leave our path.
I dont know wich jedi are you talking about ( and I dont wanna know), but i think that, in order to clean a rotten apple, you may have to cut down the branch sometimes.
Hope i have passed my idea trough.

[Master Thompson]

Good Point Azazel and I also agree with Vader in that some Jedi without knowing it, might be leaning more toward a Sith perspective in their ideology.

[Mrs. Darth Vader]

Thank you Master Thompson.

[Omnihilus]

the first silence and stillness can be apprehended through the light or through the dark,
but lack of unity within ones personal feilds of resonance
(whether that lack of resonance be in mind body or spirit, due to philosophical bais one way or the other) will beget a disconnection from the force and a reliance upon ones own generated vital force.

I suppose this vital force would be quite potent of its own accord; finding its sources within stimuli surrounding it (including other beings). However, without unified resonance one cannot hope to be strong in the force, or come to the knowledge of that which lies beyond it.

The delusion of exaltation of self can occur in the light or the dark.

An adept of one tradition knows the purpose of the other and its relevance within its own ways.

I don't see it so much as "falling into shadow" or "succumbing to the light", as i see it as straying from ones own path, or singular line of manifestation. That direct connection to the universe that we all share, no matter our manifestations within the material realm.

[Darth Opacus]

As a reply to Master Thompson's initial question, when do Sith feel the need to confront one another? The answer is simple. When one Sith feels another has lost the "edge" or one Sith is more powerful, the confrontation is inevitable. I don't think that a Sith can ever really "cross the line."