Jedi Trials

[Gothic_Angel]

I am the Padawan that Master Thompson was referring to. I am here to learn, so teach me. I read the previous post go ahead and try to tempt me but be warned I am not easily swayed. I live amongst the darkness yet it does not change me. Maybe it is I who will bring the light into your darkness.

So tell me why are you on the Darkside? What is the benefits of it?
I want to learn so please teach.
Ricky Hart II

[Azazel]

Greetings young padwan.
there is so much sorrunding the power of the dark side that is not easy to fully explain it all.
you, as a young jedi-wanna be, have certain powers, brought to you by the force.
Now imagine all that power, but 1000 times stronger, with no boundaries, and a couple more possibilities attached.
you are able to live your feelings, love, hatred, fear, all that makes us humans, but, unlikely with the jedi, with power attached to it.
It is wrongly understood that we, the sith, are the bringers of destruction and caos.that is but a mith.
To some extent, we are like the jedi in that matter, we bring order to the galaxie, but we make it endure by our hown ways, force.
Beeing sayid like this, it can easily schock, but, as we can see, the jedi council acts under the cloath of secrecy, and some more, not so good to tell, ways of operating.
release yourself from the bonds of cinema, and all those "good guys, bad guys" icons.
open your mind to all the superior teachings we have to offer you.

[Gothic_Angel]

Your emotions control you, you do not control your emotions. Anger, rage hate what are they good for? Sure they give you strength and power but at what cost, they eat away your humanity. Whether you are Jedi or Sith you are still human. The Darkside is about power, so do you have the power to control your emotions, to do what is right even though you don't want to? It sounds like you are powerless against your emotions.

That is my opinion and I may be wrong but then again I may be right.

[Darth Sidious]

Your emotions control you, you do not control your emotions.
No. Sith control their emotions, their emotions are the source of their great power. To allow your emotions to control you is to be consumed by the madness of the Dark Side - A fate that most Dark Jedi suffer.


Anger, rage hate what are they good for? Sure they give you strength and power but at what cost, they eat away your humanity. Whether you are Jedi or Sith you are still human.
As you said, either way your still human. The emotions you mentioned can be the source of your greatest strength's, and not necessarily force-wise. They can be your drive to succeed, to excel, to be the best at whatever you desire to be, they can help you in limitless ways

The Darkside is about power, so do you have the power to control your emotions, to do what is right even though you don't want to? It sounds like you are powerless against your emotions.

That is my opinion and I may be wrong but then again I may be right.
Who is right? what is right? theese things are merely a point of view.

Do I have the power to control my emotions? to be blunt, yes, I use them as and when i need them, I do not actively loose control (by that i mean lash out on any issue), but i may show my anger, or other emotions at times.

I do what i feel is right, which is the most any of us can do.
Who can really distinguish right from wrong, in any way other than how they feel about the issue at hand.

[Gothic_Angel]

Anger, hate, rage all have very bad effects on the body. Medically speaking traveling the path of the Darkside is destroying your body. It is really worth it? Is the power that great?

[Darth-Trayer]

I agree with the others, but I am a little bit different, I use my emotions when i need to and if restraint is need I do. Personally I myself try to keep a balance with in. I use both the light and the dark, and I study both. I believe that if you only using one side then you and not getting the true power of the force. To use half of the force is to weaken yourself in the force. There are 2 parts of the force. Embrace them all. Just be carefully not to unbalance yourself. Then you start to weaken yourself too
I think the wiser person uses the full force, dark and light, fear neither use them both

trayer :twisted:

[Darth Sidious]

Anger, hate, rage all have very bad effects on the body. Medically speaking traveling the path of the Darkside is destroying your body. It is really worth it? Is the power that great?

Thats interesting, Its not something i had ever considered, although since following such, I had noticed if i get ill i tend to stay ill for slightly longer than others. Is it worth it though?

Yes, i can concentrate and focus on whatever i wish to far easier than i could have done previously, i can apply myself far easier.

I agree with the others, but I am a little bit different, I use my emotions when i need to and if restraint is need I do. Personally I myself try to keep a balance with in. I use both the light and the dark, and I study both. I believe that if you only using one side then you and not getting the true power of the force. To use half of the force is to weaken yourself in the force. There are 2 parts of the force. Embrace them all. Just be carefully not to unbalance yourself. Then you start to weaken yourself too
I think the wiser person uses the full force, dark and light, fear neither use them both

trayer :twisted:

Im not saying i use my emotions all the time, tbh a lot of the time they will be locked out of the public eye, depending on their current severity, and how i feel/the mood i might be in.
Without restraint you have nothing, but If you cant learn to use any and all emotion to its full potential, in the correct circumstances only, then you may not fare too well.

Believe it or not, i will never openly say either side is wrong, as the correct side will differ person to person. Maybe as Trayer and others say, and i kinda believe, a mix of both is best.
Who really knows

[Darth-Trayer]

thank you, I think if i posted that on the Jedi boards i doubt I would get the same answer. 8) thats why i love the sith! :twisted:

[Azazel]

I must disagree with the part were the use of the dark side affects my fisical side.
in fact, i feel that i can improve myself by using the dark side.
And why should should it be otherwise?
if one has the power, it must use it.
And gothic angel, ( by the way, strange name for a jedi) you forgot love.
Love can also be a path to the dark side, and that is truly the only emotion that cannot be controled.
Its for a good reason that love, in a carnal way, is forbiden to the jedi.
You can feel love for all the galaxy, but not for the girl/boy nest door.
Is there a worst punishment that that ?
All other emotions are controlable, and by manipulating them, we become stronger, by unleashing them on the right moment.
Even a jedi cant be all goody all the time, you too must have fears, dubts, anger, but, unlike the sith, you have to swallow them like a bitter pill, and no use of the force will ever be able to take that sour taste everytime you have to do that.

[Darth-Trayer]

That is one thing I never understood. Feelings are a part of you. They are what makes you human and alive. How can you go though life not loving someone? I am so happy i have my significant other, there have been times he has saved my life. I would never give that up! He is a part of me.

trayer

[Gothic_Angel]

I understand where all of you are coming from. I am a poet and my poems reflect my emotions but instead of giving in to them I recognize them and write what I am feeling down. I have heart problems and if I do anything to strain my heart I could die. I used to be a very angry kid when I was younger. Honestly if felt good but it did strain my heart because when you are angry your heart pumps faster. I started meditation and breathing exercises to calm myself and they worked. So anger,rage,hate have very bad physical effects on me.

As for the love subject, love and be a powerful thing. I am a Christian Spiritualist meaning I follow the teachings of Christ, Buddha, Lao Tzu. Basically anything that promotes love and compassion. But love and lust are to different things and most people get them confused. As for the part of loving your significent other. It is great to be in love and have someone love you but you must remember that even though they make you happy they are not the source of your happiness. True happiness comes from within and nothing else can really make you happy.

Wait there is more. I am sorry for typing so much, I normally don't type much. I would like to think your for you time. I respect all of your opinions and unlike most Jedi I don't think you guys are wrong. You travel your path and I travel mine. We are heading to the same destination so in the end we will meet up anyway.

[Captain Tenneal]

I just want to point out something. Remember that the Jedi that are a part of Derek's community (and most likely other communities) are quite different from their movie counterparts. They recognize that there are a few things wrong with Lucas' Jedi, and many things are changed so the idea is more consistent with the real world. Things like not loving, having no emotion, etc. don't apply to real world Jedi. If you haven't read much of the material on Derek's site, I would recommend doing so as there is a lot of interesting information. You will also learn more about the Jedi realist as opposed to movie Jedi.

[Azazel]

I cannot help but feeling sorry for you, because you do not know the meaning of true hapiness.
that kind of love you say you feel is like seeing people eating at a restaurant, and thinking "wow, that is sooo good", but never taste it...
And its obvioous you must live a veeeery lonely life, void of company and thats thing you call lust, that after all is the origin to us all.
you can have happiness within, but...so what ?
You dont have a significant other ( cool frase Trayer ) to share all that hapiness with...
your much closer to the dark side than you whant to admit, and you cowardly run near the jedi because you seen in a movie that they are nice guys.
News flash - they are a bunch os lonely guys like you.
Give up that "bright" side and feel the true meaning of life.Forget the ways of loneliness and let theta significant other get into your life
live your passions
learn from them
enjoy them
life is much more than just looking at birdies and be Mr.happy happy joy joy.
Join us and learn how to live life to the fullest.

[Captain Tenneal]

I don't think he read what I just posted...

[Azazel]

nobody did :twisted:

[Captain Tenneal]

lol, is that supposed to make me upset? All it means is that your arguments will be empty from this point forward, because they will be based on your own false ideas of what these Jedi are. Like your last post, it didn't make sense, nor did it apply to anyone from Derek's community, especially Gothic Angel. Overall, it's starting to sound like a problem with you rather than someone being Jedi or not. Are you a little bitter, Azazel?

[Gothic_Angel]

I am not lonely, I have lots of friends. I do believe in love and I do love. As for a significant other, I am not really looking for one. I am not a Star Wars fanatic that bases my belief on the movies. In fact I haven't seen and entire Star Wars movie. You say that I am closer to the darkside then I admit. I know I walk the line but isn't that the test. Shouldn't I have my beliefs tested?

[Azazel]

Bitter ?
No, i dont think so, most girls i know call me lolypop.
as for the things i sayd, well, lets wait for the post from gothic angel and see, after all is directed to him, not to you.
And im not going to start "dueling" with someone that it isnt from the sith comunity.
and i can only speak based on my ideas, for they are carved on my personal experience, not of others.

[Captain Tenneal]

That's fine, but if you don't want to "duel" with people then keep the little nagative remarks to yourself if you can't handle a resonse from them.

[Azazel]

Litlle negative remarks are the everyday on a forum dedicated to this subject.
If you were a bit more into it, you would know that.

[Darth-Trayer]

Very true, one of the reason I like the sith is, they are brutally honest. Sometime there is just no nice way of saying something.

trayer

[Darth Sidious]

As long as people dont take it too far, or to the point of confrontation.

[Darth-Trayer]

Kind of hard to do that on the boards

:twisted:

trayer

[Master Thompson]

Expression is welcomed but belligerence & Rudeness are not!

:(

[Darth Sidious]

lol. definately.
These Jedi are here to learn, not to be abused, please try to keep that in mind

[Gothic_Angel]

That is correct, I am here to learn. So teach me.

[Darth-Trayer]

I don't think I have done anything wrong. I'm sorry if what I say offends, But sometimes the truth is harsh. Just because it isn't your truth doesn't make it any less true to the person. Sith are inherently harsh is it to be expected. just something to remind you all.

Don't yell at the tiger, if he is hungry and tries to eat you. It is what he does. but think you are you so close to the tiger to begin with

Also large capitol letters, are just as rude, even thought the statement isn't. remember just because what you say isn't rude, how you say it might be.

Trayer

[Azazel]

And i dont whant to be harsh.
Im doing the part im expected to do, to show you the ways, lead you to the dark side ( I truly beleive your almost there), that are not Budist ways, so i use the tools i master best.
Sith strike were it hurts the most, and i truly beleive that for seconds after reading my lines, your anger grew...
I just would like to have a really honest answer, did your anger grew or not ?

[Azazel]

Furdermore, i wish not to overburden the admin, for he is actively searching for the most twisted and terrific emoticon, to have my username as a bbcode... :twisted:

[Master Thompson]

Yes Lord Trayer,

You are correct, using CAPS is considered rude, this was not my intention. I apologize to the community, some of yesterday's discussion read very "passionate."

It was not my business to interfer, for that I ask to be excussed by all please.

Master Thompson :? :oops: