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Empress Palpatine
04-08-2006, 05:16
This is more of a question about day to day Sith solutions. It is not as dramatic as plotting to take over a galaxy, but it is a real issue to me.

I live in a household where fights erupt often. (Note:moving is not an option). Things are good with my Sith buddy. It is a third party. I have no power over this person as such. If it were like in the films, I would have probably used high voltage by now and my buddy used the Vader choke. I cannot do anything to this person physically. It is all psychic, psychological and verbal. This automatically means that I am often in a state of anger. This anger is an energy. What can I do with this raw energy? Is there a way to direct it?

I have had a few dabblings with actual dark energy use in the past. I tried to Vader choke someone once, and I did get that person to at least cough a little (but that is all).

So far, my Force use has mainly been to aqcuire information, to query either the Dark Side or the Light Side for tips on the best move to make in a situation. I am starting to wonder about a more direct use and what the possibilities are.

Darth Opacus
04-08-2006, 16:38
Understanding how people think is the first step in controlling them. Most people that start fights do it for attention. In their mind, negative attention is better than no attention at all. Using the dark side is not limited to physical pain. To control this third party that causes problems, simply ignore. This may be difficult at first, but that is where your control must come into play. When he/she realizes that no one is playing into his/her game, that is when you strike. He/she will want attention so bad that nothing will be out of the question. You now have control. Use it how you see fit.

Darth Devious
04-08-2006, 18:40
My inability to use the force to choke people, or summon the tv remote to my hand is one of the reason I decided to pursue technological power instead of force powers. I was able to accept that I did not have force powers.

In the end, I did not loose very much, My capabilities are more relevent in the world I live in, but my capabilities are different then Jedi in the movies.

Mrs. Darth Vader
04-09-2006, 00:24
Thank you Lord Exar Kun. Your advice was interesting. Just curious have you mastered any dark arts in the magical field? I know you have figured how to improve your Kicks and punches.

Seti-I-Shadim
04-09-2006, 01:55
Empress Palpatine,

Below are some rituals that can be used. I know you are not a Satanist but since you are an Occultist-these may be of some use if adapted to your own beliefs. Good luck with your situation in any case.
I myself have used comparable rites to unleash energies upon other's minds while they were in a dream state. So I attack their thoughts, not their body so the destruction rite does not necessarily mean a death rite. Good luck.



-Seti


p.s. No offense intended but: I posted this for Empress Palpatine's use because she has experience in Masonic & Qabbalistic studies. Please don't use this if you don't know what you are doing. Thanks.

DESTRUCTION RITUAL - Obic
In the name of Chaos, Sam-Moveth-Az. Ob-Azoth Lord and Archdemon of Infernus.
I call for the Five Gates of the dark realm to crash asunder. Let my commands ride upon the howling winds of the Abyss.
Oh, Herald of Hell, behold: I speak the Keys of the 9 Angles and I summon the demon who has leashed the apocalypse, Abot-Thiavat, Master of the Seven, whose name is Oblivion.
Through the Blazing Angles of the Shining Trapezoid whereby the 10th Key (Malkuth) lies broken, the doom of ( person's name_ )has been spoken.
Eurynome! Cthonie! Callrhoe! Ekidne! Ophioneus!
Pronounced:
(YU-RUH-NO-MEH, KTHO-NEE, KALLIR-OH-EH, EH-KID-NEH, O-FEE-ON-EE-US)
Samael! Azazel! Izidkiel! Hanael! Kepharel!
(The same 5 names, but in Hebrew)
The names have been spoken, loose the Hounds of the Barrier and COME FORTH, for the bond is sealed. We are alike, and I summon you through myself that MY WILL BE DONE! By Sam-Moveth-Az, by Ophioneus: Leviathan, Arise! Move! Appear! Leave the whirling vortex beyond our Cosmos and come forth.
Behold the goat without horns, untouched, alone, naked before you, having only the Black Fire that burns in my heart. I AM the mystery of YOUR creation! Come into my heart and GO FORTH: strike down! rot away! burn up! crush! consume and devour! Now - FIND the enemy or enemies with your heart chakra (NOT with the head-eye chakra). With the head-eye chakra LOOK as if looking down on many things and BLAST the enemy. It comes out like "go-pause, go-pause, go-pause," it does not blast out like the Vajra. Then break off, become totally detached from this. Even forget you did it! Total detachment.

Explanation:
The 10th Key is Malkuth after Bahu breaks open. Thiavat comes out of this through the middle pillar - or the Abot Gate. The Thiavat-Bahu combinned is the Root of the 7 "Light Forces" hence the Master of them Hounds of the Barrier are the Furies, the five Daimones. There is a whirling feeling associated with this magic, and a howling sound or fluty kind of song-howl that one can "hear." Sam-Moveth-Az represents the Obic Vortex above 1st. Ophioneus is what came from the 10th last. Leviathan is the culmination of both, the entire thing. The goat without horns is the person doing the spell meaning that he/she has been harmed or deprived of the horns - metaphorically. Untouched means you do not hold hands with anyone in this spell. Alone means the one person alone does this spell, even if others are present. Naked doesn't have to mean you disrobe but you can - it means INNOCENT of motive, pure of heart - it means you have nothing anymore except the Black Flame which is the Self Alone.
The epithets 1. strike down, 2. rot away, 3. burn up 4. crush and 5. consume devour - that is how the Thiavat-as-Ob comes down through the Vortex through middle pillar. These are the attributes of the Seraphim - Se-RAPH, punishing, wrathful messengers. Guardians of the Five Gates. Tipereth is passed through which is the heart wherein the Black Fire burns. You call this into your HEART and send it forth as the spell reads. Blazing Angles of the Trapezoid are the 7-light forces with the dark inside as shown in "Tantra" article. Crash through the 9 angles: 5 on the star the alphas/points plus four on the trapezoid seem to crush inward - the 4 on the trapezoid are the Tetragrammmaton - and have nothing to do with any "name of God."
DESTRUCTION RITUAL- RED RAY
Write your own wishes for destruction on your enemy. Set up with black candle in central altar. Whether you do this alone or with people, as you chant this walk around the altar with the candle on it, counter clockwise. Chant this and then read out your destruction wishes.
Principality of Fire, I call upon the Flame to summon you.
I call on the strength of all the Dark Creatures of Nature to summon you.
Principality of Fire, hear me as I call. Rise from the coiling flames!
I summon you in the name of the Seven Plagues.
Azazel, I summon you in the name of the charred and blackened stars that reigned at your beginning!
Cthonie, rise out of the darkness of the earth.
I call you forth from the subterranean rivers of blood, from the smoke of the torment which rises forever.
In the name of every Dark Spirit that is obedient to you,
I invoke you: COME FORTH.
Read destruction wishes. Then burn them up in the candle.
Let the flame carry forth my desires.
Gather up the burned ashes in a sealed container. Bury it
Let the earth carry forth my desires.
Let it be done.
Explanation:
Azazel, or Cthonie, and all the other names for this same alpha-defender is both Innocence, a defender principle of the 7 fold Light and is also the Abyss - Darkness, a horrific destroyer. It is also the manifest-defender of the alpha inner principle of Justice. It is also the destroyer of anti-anima as the pushing principle on that alpha. It is also the "mate" of the Ophion as it merges with this principle. Azazel is half here and NOT behind the "double locked gate."

Mrs. Darth Vader
04-09-2006, 02:36
Dear Seti Thank you very much for your great spell. I too have studied Kabalah , Masonry, Runes and other practical magics. Your spell feels powerful even on computer screen. It may have even gumed up the computer as this is my third attempt at thanking you. Boy that sent tremmors in the Force.

Darth Opacus
04-09-2006, 03:16
Mrs. Darth Vader - to answer your question, yes and no. I know that sounds strange, but I don't know if I would call it "magic." I have been told by many people that I have a strange gift of influencing another's mind without trying. I am trying to develop this "gift" and see what happens.

Darth Devious
04-09-2006, 04:39
I read the satanic bible, and understood the first 2 books. However, I was never able to grasp the practicality of the third book. Perhaps one of you can explain to me how rituals increase your power.


Perhaps I am too much the scientist at heart.

Darth Devious
04-09-2006, 05:06
Seti-I-Shadim, where did you find the online copy of the satanic bible? We should include it in hte holocron.

Empress Palpatine
04-09-2006, 06:31
Thanks for all the advice. I am sure it will be helpful.

Seti, I do recognize a lot of Kabbalistic references. I read it, and just reading it, it evokes something. Where did it come from? It reminds me of something I did with runes once, calling on "fiery fetches."

Azazel
04-10-2006, 11:55
Empress, a more practical advice.
Focus a point on your foes head, feel the anger grow in you, and when it reaches its peak, unleach it in that same spot, by visualizing a beam of energy hitting the spot.
May sound silly, but in time it will work.
Or course that, such enployment of your energy will bound you to the dark side even more.But im shure you dont fear that.

Seti-I-Shadim
04-10-2006, 15:20
Dear Seti Thank you very much for your great spell. I too have studied Kabalah , Masonry, Runes and other practical magics. Your spell feels powerful even on computer screen. It may have even gumed up the computer as this is my third attempt at thanking you. Boy that sent tremmors in the Force.

I'm glad you like it. Of course, my post was meant for both of you. I hope it helps. I've been in boarding houses before where one dork can make life unbearable. Of course, being the evil Sith that I am(grin)-we took the guy outside, killed him and buried his body in the backyard.:maul4:

lol Okay, I'm just kidding. We didn't bury the body.:D


Seti, I do recognize a lot of Kabbalistic references. I read it, and just reading it, it evokes something. Where did it come from? It reminds me of something I did with runes once, calling on "fiery fetches."

It is from the Satanic Reds. They are very heavily influenced by Qabbalah and Tibet Bon religion & alot of their posted rites reflect it. Extremely esoteric in their views on what the left hand path really is. I like them for that, & that they avoid the whole anti-Christian hangup.

Runes are a really interesting field. I've read books on it-mostly by Stephen Flowers, but I've never done any practical work with any Rune system.

- Seti

Empress Palpatine
04-12-2006, 06:01
Azazel, that one sounds direct and is one that can be easily remembered.

Seti, are those qabbalist/Satanists by any chance a form of Gnostic? I recall reading about a group of Gnostics that believe Satan made the material plane and it is his to rule. One can only escape by leaving this plane, otherwise one must give the devil his due.

Seti-I-Shadim
04-13-2006, 10:35
Seti, are those qabbalist/Satanists by any chance a form of Gnostic? I recall reading about a group of Gnostics that believe Satan made the material plane and it is his to rule. One can only escape by leaving this plane, otherwise one must give the devil his due.


Empress,

They are Gnostic, as in gnosis, but not in the form of Gnosticism that you spoke of. ( Although I find those Gnostic groups really interesting: Cathars, Cainites, Sethians.) However, in the piece below, I'm sure you can see how the Gnostic Creation mythos is mixed with a Dark philosophy.






THE DARKNESS WAS ONE - A DOCTRINE OF COSMOGENESIS

translated: Tani Jantsang

The Eternal Parent, wrapped in invisible robes slumbered. Time was not, for it lay asleep in the infinite bosom of duration. Space was not, for there was no place or point. Darkness alone filled the Boundless All. And the Darkness was One.
The Seven Sublime Forms and the Five Truths were not yet, and the universe, the child of Necessity, had not yet been breathed out. Alone, the One Form of Being stretched boundless, infinite, causeless, in dreamless sleep. And life pulsated unconscious, throughout that all-presence. The Great Wheel was not yet. The Dark Formers and the Luminous Forms, were not yet. The Forms that come from No-form rested in the bliss of eternal non-being. And the Darkness was One.
A vibration thrills through Darkness, expanding within and without, touching the whole Universe which was now an embryo in Darkness. Then, the Ray flashed out into a web of 7 lights, and the 5 truths molded the whole into LIFE. Yet still, the Darkness was One.
And the Cosmos was born from the web, a woven fabric of many colors and tones. And the cloth was woven perfectly, no color dominated, yet none were the same; no tones were the same, yet all were harmonious; all blended in a variegated ever-changing cloth, whose capacity for infinite change was proof of the miracle of life. And all things living are part of this woven fabric of life. And all they have to do to delight in this gift of life, is BE. Yet through the changing of times and places, through the births and deaths of stars that form the Web of Life, the Wheel Spins relentlessly in the Grand Illusion. Yet still, the Darkness IS One.
And is man part of this woven fabric of life? Yes! All man has to do to delight in this gift of life, is BE. But man has not been content with the harmony in the fabric. And so man tried to change the fabric of the cloth and found that this was easy. Man wanted to have the blues dominate over the reds, to get rid of the greens and yellows; he wanted there to be the same tones, not different tones. And though most of the tones are gone, man finds that what remains is a discordant, disharmonious noise that causes him much unrest. Yet will man continue to try to "fix" this until finally, there is nothing left but a torn up, shredded, scrap of cloth: the remains of the fabric that was man? Perhaps. Yet still, the Darkness is One, was One, ever will be One.

http://www.geocities.com/SatanicReds/dark-one-s.jpg




http://www.geocities.com/SatanicReds/dark-one.html



- Seti

Magister Bacon
04-13-2006, 20:12
I read the satanic bible, and understood the first 2 books. However, I was never able to grasp the practicality of the third book. Perhaps one of you can explain to me how rituals increase your power.


Perhaps I am too much the scientist at heart.

Do you remember the quote that says "Science has always, in one time or another, been considered magic"?

The books of Belial and Leviathan encourage intellectual decompression for the expansion of the will. In other words, you are summoning powers within you, metaphorically, for a volitional purpose. It is scientifically applicable, and has a lot to do with the transmission of thought as well as the knowing and willing suppression of intellectual activity to empower.

In other words, we Satanists, who are also atheists, do not accept this power to be supernatural, but already there. We know there are no such existence of the infernal names and crown princes we conjure; and that gives us all the more reason to practice ritual magic, as it expands and clarifies our will.

I've always said that a Satanist can be a Sith in modern society. I'm currently writing The Satanic Sith, which will embrace Sith ideology as Satanic metaphor (Satanism, in all due respect, did come first). This is why I have used a lightsaber in ritual; I will inadvertently begin to draw more and more correlations.

The Sith are the best portrayal of the Left Hand Path in fiction, and should be embraced as such. The only "Dark Force" (ironic that we should call it that) is what is carnal to man; Devious, your embracing the psychological and technological means of the force is exactly fit for what I am trying to do.

Empress Palpatine
04-13-2006, 23:37
I will be curious about this book you are writing. Will it be a published book? On a web page?

Seti, that quote is fascinating, very similar to Albert Pike's description of Kabbalist creation.

Mrs. Darth Vader
04-14-2006, 02:11
Dear Seti I Shadim, I realy liked your Darkness is one thing. It reminds me of the Kabalah part in " Morals and Dogma" just worded a bit differently but in essence the same thing. I too have noticed the outright assault on the Red aura spectrium. Since I am in the red catagory at this time in history I am very unpopular. But this document that you quoted clearly defends my right to exist. If you like this document than we should be more united since in my web site I translate it into a more masses friendly manner. Yours is the more intellogent way of saying the same thing. You should love Kali ( The female of Vader ) as I love Vader ( Shiva). We should be closer than I at first thought since we are calling on the same Force the dark side the I Am that I Am. The top of the Keter. I re-read the spell and it sounds like we do simular crafts. Yours are more sufistacated like a collage professor but I noticed how close I was by nature. It sounds like we are "Praying" for the same thing. It is April 13, 2006 Passover. I am sure you get my drift. Good luck in calling the dark side of the Force. Vader is the Arch angel of death. This is how Moses called down Vader to choke the first born Egyptians as a judgement against them for their oppression and slavery. Some things never change. Today I live with the reincarnation of "Ramses". Same bat time same bat channel.

Darth Devious
04-14-2006, 04:50
In other words, we Satanists, who are also atheists, do not accept this power to be supernatural, but already there. We know there are no such existence of the infernal names and crown princes we conjure; and that gives us all the more reason to practice ritual magic, as it expands and clarifies our will.

But isnt this contractictory(sp?) How can you conjure the infernal names when you dont think they are there. In fact, why conjure them at all, and instead conjure the dark side directly?

I've always said that a Satanist can be a Sith in modern society. I'm currently writing The Satanic Sith, which will embrace Sith ideology as Satanic metaphor (Satanism, in all due respect, did come first). This is why I have used a lightsaber in ritual; I will inadvertently begin to draw more and more correlations.

Kool, publish it on the web so we all can read it.

Interesting, I also find myself drawn to my lightsaber. the only thing I dont like about it is that I cant actually cut with it, which is why I am trying to develop a comparible real life substitute. Check out my posts in the technoloy/alchemy section.

Magister Bacon
04-14-2006, 19:50
In other words, we Satanists, who are also atheists, do not accept this power to be supernatural, but already there. We know there are no such existence of the infernal names and crown princes we conjure; and that gives us all the more reason to practice ritual magic, as it expands and clarifies our will.

But isnt this contractictory(sp?) How can you conjure the infernal names when you dont think they are there. In fact, why conjure them at all, and instead conjure the dark side directly?

I've always said that a Satanist can be a Sith in modern society. I'm currently writing The Satanic Sith, which will embrace Sith ideology as Satanic metaphor (Satanism, in all due respect, did come first). This is why I have used a lightsaber in ritual; I will inadvertently begin to draw more and more correlations.

Kool, publish it on the web so we all can read it.

Interesting, I also find myself drawn to my lightsaber. the only thing I dont like about it is that I cant actually cut with it, which is why I am trying to develop a comparible real life substitute. Check out my posts in the technoloy/alchemy section.

The same goes for the Dark Side as it does for the infernal names: Metaphor. Embrace the comparison that there is no cosmic battle between good or evil, and recognize that you are a "Satan" in modern society. All symbolism.

Master Thompson
04-15-2006, 03:06
When in battle, a commander must be able to size up the enemy. Location, strength, armorments, strike/relatiation capability, supply chain and support. I have read all the replies to your initial question Empress and I have to say I am quite impressed with many of the answers. However; sometimes one needs not to engage a single target using a tank.

Sun Tzu says:

By means of these seven considerations I can
forecast victory or defeat.

The general that hearkens to my counsel and acts
upon it, will conquer: let such a one be retained in command!
The general that hearkens not to my counsel nor acts upon it,
will suffer defeat:--let such a one be dismissed!

While heading the profit of my counsel,
avail yourself also of any helpful circumstances
over and beyond the ordinary rules.

According as circumstances are favorable,
one should modify one's plans.

All warfare is based on deception.

Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable;
when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we
are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away;
when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder,
and crush him.

If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him.
If he is in superior strength, evade him.

If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to
irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.

If he is taking his ease, give him no rest.
If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where
you are not expected.

These military devices, leading to victory,
must not be divulged beforehand.

Now the general who wins a battle makes many
calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought.
The general who loses a battle makes but few
calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations
lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat:
how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention
to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose.

In other words: Size up your enemy and attack based on the weakness of your adversary. Strike swiftly and continuously on all fronts of his/her/their weakness. If you plan accordingly you will triumph!

Respectfully,
Jedi Master Thompson
Order of Ashla.

Azazel
04-19-2006, 14:19
Thanx for re-remembering us the ideas of sun tsu Master Thompson, but we already have it in the holocrom ( i think)

Darth Devious
04-19-2006, 16:18
azazel, shame on you. Jedi are not supposed to know about the holocron!

and besides, the infrastructrue of the holocron is not complete.

Darth Sidious
04-19-2006, 16:24
Thanx for re-remembering us the ideas of sun tsu Master Thompson, but we already have it in the holocrom ( i think)

:shock: bad azazel

...uh...yeah... on the holocron...ish

Seti-I-Shadim
04-20-2006, 09:54
Dear Seti I Shadim, I realy liked your Darkness is one thing. It reminds me of the Kabalah part in " Morals and Dogma" just worded a bit differently but in essence the same thing. I too have noticed the outright assault on the Red aura spectrium. Since I am in the red catagory at this time in history I am very unpopular. But this document that you quoted clearly defends my right to exist. If you like this document than we should be more united since in my web site I translate it into a more masses friendly manner. Yours is the more intellogent way of saying the same thing. You should love Kali ( The female of Vader ) as I love Vader ( Shiva). We should be closer than I at first thought since we are calling on the same Force the dark side the I Am that I Am. The top of the Keter. I re-read the spell and it sounds like we do simular crafts. Yours are more sufistacated like a collage professor but I noticed how close I was by nature. It sounds like we are "Praying" for the same thing. It is April 13, 2006 Passover. I am sure you get my drift. Good luck in calling the dark side of the Force. Vader is the Arch angel of death. This is how Moses called down Vader to choke the first born Egyptians as a judgement against them for their oppression and slavery. Some things never change. Today I live with the reincarnation of "Ramses". Same bat time same bat channel.

Actually, you are closer than you might know. I've studied & am an initiate of Vama Marg (also called:vamachara). This is at its simplest the lineage of Kali and in my view the origin of the Left Hand Path. You might be interested in reading some of the writings of Kenneth Grant. He is very old now(I used to be in contact with him) and was a student of Aleister Crowley. His book Nightside of Eden is extremely esoteric LHP Qaballah. ( The paths in the averse he refers to as the Tunnels of Set) His books are the kind you live with over years to really understand.(And I dont claim to understand it all-I'm still working on it. lol) Anyway-just a thought.


Seti

Azazel
04-20-2006, 11:34
Bad me...
Well, im shure they can know about it, it will only make them curious, and since they cant go inside, it will make them even more...anger, and maybe fearfull of what may be inside.
Anger and fear is good.
And of corse its complete...Devious...

Darth Devious
04-20-2006, 16:38
Bad me, I guess I need a spanking too.

Azazel
04-20-2006, 19:30
The usual will do, come coldies, and a cup of Porto wine for Sidious.
No spanking here dude.

Darth Devious
04-20-2006, 19:42
Ill take kentucky whiskey, or a smooth vodka.

And I was kidding about the spanking, seriously.

Empress Palpatine
04-21-2006, 02:50
Yes, I have that book. It has good ideas.

As to secrets, many of these keep themselves. It is not so much merely reading it but understanding it. People can read and still not understand. Perhaps Sith thought, even if explained, is not clearly understood by all. I have seen cases of such.

Seti-I-Shadim
04-22-2006, 03:12
I agree. Its an open secret.:D