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Empress Palpatine
12-18-2005, 06:30
What would be the Sith view of the origin of the universe? Perhaps someone may have read something in some official or semi-official source somewhere. So which came first, the Dark or the Light, or both at the same time?
Some would say that a good God started it all and a devil came second.
I find most interesting the accounts that say that in the beginning was a total unity where Dark and Light did not yet exist. This unity would be called the original God or Force. In order to make a universe, it split into two, a Light and Dark Side. Both were needed to construct the universe. Some old religions show this duality by having a god and a goddess. In many, goddesses are associated with the Dark energies. Some will even call the Light Side a child of the Dark Mother, and to the Dark Mother he must return.
Any comments on the beginning of all?
Darth Sidious
12-18-2005, 15:49
I have no idea :O
in regards to coming first though, most opinions seem to say the dark - wherever there is no light...
My opinion is that in the begining the was only the force, as whole.
But in order to be a "light", there must exist the oposite " the dark"
Good cannot exit without evil.
Somewere along the way, even tough its still the same one force, someone find out that, as in every aspect of life, there are two ways of seeing it,
Darth-Trayer
12-20-2005, 06:01
kind of have to agree there. Even though good doesnt like us, with out us good wouldnt be here. I kind of think there was dark and light came into it and there is the eternal struggle started. I think we feed off of each other. With out one the other wouldnt be here .
trayer
Master Thompson
12-22-2005, 16:08
I agree with Lord Azazel.
There is no light with out darkness and there is no darkness with out light!
This is just simple physics!
Thanx, but more than phisics, thats the beauty of nature.
And a even more beautiful thing is the right to choose wich one to follow.
Mrs. Darth Vader
12-24-2005, 06:30
To put it simply in the beginning the light side and the dark side lived together simotamiously. No one created the other because both are the Force in its intirety. At the top level it is united. All the angels, archangels, Son and Holy Spirit live together. I used the western terms but this does not nullify other religious terms in other languages.
Mrs. Darth Vader
12-28-2005, 20:43
Good one Azazel, I like the Free will thing.
Everybody does.
all in all its the best thing given to men.
Trayer, I do not agree that all lightsiders dislike the dark. I do not dislike the dark for one, I simply disagree with them. I do think that many lightsiders tend to shun the dark for fear of turning. I think this is unwise, you must understand both sides of an arguement to make a decent point, do you not?
I agree that there has to be a dark side and a light and that they cannot exist without the other. The thing I have not seen, especially on sites such as the Force Academy, that diplomacy between the two sides is loosely observed. If we are to coexist, both sides must recognize the validity of the other regardless of personal views. I have tried my best on all the sites I have been to, to both say this and do this. (please tell me if I messed up in this somewhere)
(nice to see some familiar faces...Arazel, Trayer, Master Thompson...I'll see you on the Ashla site. :) )
Darth-Trayer
02-16-2006, 10:57
I have personally be in arguements on other jedi boards, because I call myself a sith.
Also I have thought of the "jedi" way or "lightside" more as a christian church, so to speek. If you follow what they beleive, your all good, if you do, then they have issues. Now this is my opinion.
Darth Trayer is right, siths are much more open minded to jedi´s opinions than the other way around.
We dont mistreat jedi´s in thid forum, we just expect them to pay a couple of beers, and a Port wine to the Admin.
Lets not forget that, trying to join sith and jedi is like mixing oil and water, they bith live in the same ambient, but are quite diferent between themselfs.
But , i will like to see your efforts to join both sides on a big family...
"Also I have thought of the "jedi" way or "lightside" more as a christian church, so to speek. If you follow what they beleive, your all good, if you do, then they have issues. Now this is my opinion." -Trayer
I don't think anyone is all good or all bad. They simply lean more towards one side then the other. (except in the case of shadow jedi) I fully admit I have a darkside and I would be a fool not to. I simply do not let it get the best of me. Just as you all have a light side. It makes no difference the way it is put, the principle is the same.
If there has to be a dark side for there to be a light, and vice versa, then there must be a darkside to every light Jedi and vice versa.
Did that all make sense?
"there must be a darkside to every light Jedi and vice versa"--» That isnt exactly true.
As you can easily see, there are lesser darksiders than lightsiders, but thats really a moral issue most people have, for most of them see evil, aprove it, but moral forces them to follow a "so called" good.
Homo homini lupus
"there are lesser darksiders than lightsiders"
I want to add a distinction to that. There are less 'professed,' darksiders than lightsiders. There are many lightsiders and shadow that more align with the dark side, but don't admit it to themselves and others. Whether it's out of guilt or denial I don't know.
Darth-Trayer
03-13-2006, 03:38
Or maybe they just don't want to face the truth :)
Darth Trayer
Its never easy to admit before society that your a darksider.
But most of those "darksiders" are just wanna-be´s that think its cool to dress in black and beeing a bad ass guy rules.
There is much more to it.
so how much more is it then? I mean for you what does in mean for you Azazel?
beeing able to feel the dark side, embrace it, admit it, and live by it and be proud of it, is not the same as dressing in black and have a bad guy look.
Darth-Trayer
03-15-2006, 18:18
I completely agree
Darth Opacus
03-22-2006, 22:56
I agree with Azazel. Being a Sith does not mean walking around dressed in black and acting like a "bad guy." I call myself a Sith, but if I met you on the street, you probably wouldn't know. I do not hide myself, I merely play games with people's perception of me. Palpantine did not reveal himself at first. He remained one step ahead of everyone and gained almost unlimited power among the Republic.
I'm not doing this for arguement's sake, just curious...
"Palpantine did not reveal himself at first. He remained one step ahead of everyone and gained almost unlimited power among the Republic."
-I have heard so much about Palpatine's rise to power in the posts lately. I wouldn't mind discussing that if you all don't mind. Was he any more powerful for taking the title of Emperor? Was he very devious at all, the republic was in trouble before he got there a I think? Was the Jedi council's lack of attention on this the reason why they didn't see it or their arrogance; or both? Was his rise to power all that hard to do? I mean exactly how did he earn respect on this site? (I truly am not meaning to be mean here, though it sounds like it, I would just like to know.)
Darth Opacus
03-23-2006, 02:54
I agree that the Republic was in danger before Palpantine arrived. However, to be able rise through the ranks and not be "seen" by the Jedi is a feat that deserves respect. Palpantine kept his intentions hidden and manipulated everyone. I don't think the war played a large part in the fact that the Jedi could not sense Palpantine. They were suspicious of him through most of the movie (I just watched it again). Why could they not sense his intentions if they already had suspicions?
Just started a new thread on the rise of Palpatine to power, wanna join ?
yeah, I think we should do another thread for this. see ya there
The Disciple of Ragnos
06-29-2006, 04:57
Trayer, I do not agree that all lightsiders dislike the dark. I do not dislike the dark for one, I simply disagree with them. I do think that many lightsiders tend to shun the dark for fear of turning. I think this is unwise, you must understand both sides of an arguement to make a decent point, do you not?
I agree that there has to be a dark side and a light and that they cannot exist without the other. The thing I have not seen, especially on sites such as the Force Academy, that diplomacy between the two sides is loosely observed. If we are to coexist, both sides must recognize the validity of the other regardless of personal views. I have tried my best on all the sites I have been to, to both say this and do this. (please tell me if I messed up in this somewhere)
(nice to see some familiar faces...Arazel, Trayer, Master Thompson...I'll see you on the Ashla site. :) )
We don't really have to coexist... why do you think the struggle between the light/good and dark/evil still exists? 'Cause they cannot coexist...
the problem is, that they have to coexist, for one cannot exist without the other.
Darth Opacus
07-01-2006, 05:09
There can be no dark without light, no evil without good. There is a balance and always will be.
Darth Cassus
07-02-2006, 17:03
That good old Ying and Yang
Omnihilus
10-26-2006, 23:23
I suppose you could say. That all potentiality of all potentiality non/existed in stateless state of infinitely expanded and infinitely compressed singularity making it effectively beyond the apprehension of conscious definition or classifcation, rendering this definition moot.
something beyond either darkness or light...but of them, in them, around them,
something beyond the force...
something beyond something....beyond itself, beyond beyond, but infinitely close at hand.
the mind balks, there is only to not/be it, not/revel in it, and mis/understand it.
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